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« on: August 05, 2013, 04:37:39 PM »

Running back/athlete Bo Scarborough, currently committed to Alabama, is leaving his home state and transferring to IMG Academy.
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2013, 05:29:32 PM »

If they keep going this way. Teams should not schedule them. It isn't really high school football is it?
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2013, 06:15:52 PM »

Still going to be high school football and a few teams will challenge IMG each year.

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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2013, 07:11:49 PM »

Teams should keep scheduling them and they will. They still have to gel as a Team and play together.

nothing wrong with Kids and Parents wanting the best for their kids. Maybe no one should play there Tennis players or Golfers either!!! LOL Wink
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2013, 09:15:56 PM »

Where's all the "kids should be able to transfer wherever they want whenever they want" guys?  Don't see the difference in this and schools cherry picking talent anywhere else.
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2013, 09:21:07 PM »

Mr. Wienke needs to rethink what he says about going after top talent. Sorry, this kid is already bonafide and needs IMG about as bad as I need an all you can eat buffet.  Roll Eyes One of the major problems and why this will continue to happen is because of the ME generation, there used to be a time when players cared about their team and their brothers.
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2013, 09:30:44 PM »

Mr. Wienke needs to rethink what he says about going after top talent. Sorry, this kid is already bonafide and needs IMG about as bad as I need an all you can eat buffet.  Roll Eyes One of the major problems and why this will continue to happen is because of the ME generation, there used to be a time when players cared about their team and their brothers.

And then Fantasy Football happened.
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2013, 05:02:15 AM »

Where's all the "kids should be able to transfer wherever they want whenever they want" guys?  Don't see the difference in this and schools cherry picking talent anywhere else.

Clever!   Grin

Mr. Wienke needs to rethink what he says about going after top talent. Sorry, this kid is already bonafide and needs IMG about as bad as I need an all you can eat buffet.  Roll Eyes One of the major problems and why this will continue to happen is because of the ME generation, there used to be a time when players cared about their team and their brothers.

And then Fantasy Football happened.

Funny!  Cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2013, 06:26:12 AM »

In year one sure it may take time to "gel" but in year 5 we will see how things shape up. Parents surely do want the best for their kids but many times this sentiment is closely tied to their own egos. The numbers of kids who can play college football is small. A so called school that caters only to athletes is really not a school in my opinion. Don't compare this to a magnet school please. Remember that most people are average. Sports are extracurricular activities. Local transfers and transfer hype no matter how goofy it appears is nothing like an institution that functions as a farm system. It is not high school with all the social and personal dynamics. It will cause a real scandal within 5 years. Mark my words.

Despite school allegiances, I would pull for the winner of my school's district if they move on. Local rivalries can produce friends and shared memories, lore, and healthy discourse. Hey that kid played against us! Hey remember that game when we pulled it out against you guys? These are the sentiments of high school ball. How can anyone pull for IMG? Ivan Drago of HS football.
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2013, 06:53:12 AM »

In year one sure it may take time to "gel" but in year 5 we will see how things shape up. Parents surely do want the best for their kids but many times this sentiment is closely tied to their own egos. The numbers of kids who can play college football is small. A so called school that caters only to athletes is really not a school in my opinion. Don't compare this to a magnet school please. Remember that most people are average. Sports are extracurricular activities. Local transfers and transfer hype no matter how goofy it appears is nothing like an institution that functions as a farm system. It is not high school with all the social and personal dynamics. It will cause a real scandal within 5 years. Mark my words.

Despite school allegiances, I would pull for the winner of my school's district if they move on. Local rivalries can produce friends and shared memories, lore, and healthy discourse. Hey that kid played against us! Hey remember that game when we pulled it out against you guys? These are the sentiments of high school ball. How can anyone pull for IMG? Ivan Drago of HS football.

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2013, 07:23:20 AM »

"Take care of your house and they won't leave" - Pro Transfer Guy  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2013, 07:33:50 AM »

In year one sure it may take time to "gel" but in year 5 we will see how things shape up. Parents surely do want the best for their kids but many times this sentiment is closely tied to their own egos. The numbers of kids who can play college football is small. A so called school that caters only to athletes is really not a school in my opinion. Don't compare this to a magnet school please. Remember that most people are average. Sports are extracurricular activities. Local transfers and transfer hype no matter how goofy it appears is nothing like an institution that functions as a farm system. It is not high school with all the social and personal dynamics. It will cause a real scandal within 5 years. Mark my words.

Despite school allegiances, I would pull for the winner of my school's district if they move on. Local rivalries can produce friends and shared memories, lore, and healthy discourse. Hey that kid played against us! Hey remember that game when we pulled it out against you guys? These are the sentiments of high school ball. How can anyone pull for IMG? Ivan Drago of HS football.

NINW---EVERYTHING this guy just said my friend----remember seeing all of us (Armwood and Plant) coaches on YOUR sideline vs. Godby?  Yes sir, we were there for a reason----and that's because alot of us actually do have a respect for and like coaches/people associated w/ your program at the end of the day.  At the end of the day---we're a fraternity.  Not everybody gets along as good as we should, (yes there are some ROGUE coaches out there  Wink but most of us do get along. 

I do think there is a clear distinction with what you call schools "cherry-picking" kids (feel free to clarify who's doing cherry picking these days---I'd love to know) and what IMG is doing.

I can never back IMG nor will I ever show up to a game to support that team. 
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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2013, 08:00:29 AM »

Too Funny. But I understand how some of you feel. I am trying to see what the difference is between IMG and the kids who walked out on Northeast. I am sure some of you will come up with a real neat excuse.

Will you go see CCC games Yoda? They got kids from Oceola, Clearwater, PHU, Countryside Eastlake, Dunedin, Tarpon What is the difference?

It seems as if some of you have an issue with IMG but not other Private schools. Or Public Schools like ARMWOOD who Cheated to get a State Title and then had it forfeit games. Heck Yoda there is a cloud over Plant also.

It must be hard for some of you to realize that things are changing as fast as I-Phones are. Kids, Parents and Yes Coaches change schools all the time. We might not like it, but it is what it is. Yes you have every right not to go to IMG Games. But I am looking forward to watching them and CCC play this year.


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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2013, 08:44:22 AM »

IMG vs CCC is going to be a very ,very good game. You can tell it means something to IMG because they took their bye week before playing the Marauders (Although, it seems every team took their bye week before playing the Marauders..)

I think the root issue is that while private schools get transfers..and it's implied they transfer for football, you can at least make the argument that going from public to private is a better academic setting.  For athletic reasons, CCC has a great shot at winning states and I'm sure people want to be apart of that.

IMG is getting kids from Canada, Alabama and I'm sure other states as well- with no chance of winning a state championship this year or next year. They are going for the "IMG experience" because once week 11 ends, that's it- the season is over.

I have no doubt the IMG debate will roar for years to come- I'm not sure how I feel about them yet.




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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2013, 08:47:16 AM »

Running back/athlete Bo Scarborough, currently committed to Alabama, is leaving his home state and transferring to IMG Academy.

WOW.... CCC better watch out now.  Now that isn't some average kid from an average local school that is big time right there
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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2013, 08:59:47 AM »

IMG play in a fall classic ?
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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2013, 09:03:49 AM »

Schools that exist solely for athletics, like IMG, should not be allowed to compete in the FHSAA. They should be completely independent and play a national schedule (like Eastern "Christian", etc.).

I know some posters on here are fans of this nonsense, but nobody in their right mind can actually think that a "school" that solely exists for football should be mixed with regular schools, either public or private.

Sorry, but I'll never see Berekely Prep and IMG sports academy in the same light.
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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2013, 09:16:12 AM »

Follow the money trail...I'd bet good $$ that there's a few trails that lead to places of influence
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« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2013, 10:30:06 AM »

Who does this IMG think they are, Armwood?
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« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2013, 11:39:12 AM »

Schools that exist solely for athletics, like IMG, should not be allowed to compete in the FHSAA. They should be completely independent and play a national schedule (like Eastern "Christian", etc.).

I know some posters on here are fans of this nonsense, but nobody in their right mind can actually think that a "school" that solely exists for football should be mixed with regular schools, either public or private.

Sorry, but I'll never see Berekely Prep and IMG sports academy in the same light.

Maybe not Berkley, but how about schools like De La Salle or St. Thomas Aquinas? 

If you don't have a problem with kids being able to transfer simply to play sports, and numerous posters here have stated they don't have a problem with that, you can't expect any reasonable person  to listen to your complaints about IMG, unless it's that they beat you to the punch.  This is what the Genie is going to become when he's let out of the bottle.  Jesuit or any one of the other private schools in town could have done this years ago if they didn't have a conscience about who they are. 

In the end, they have to play the games.  And they can and will be beaten.  Bottom line is, if the kids aren't getting an education that prepares them for the academic rigors of college at IMG, the school won't last very long.  I don't root for them, but I don't have a problem with what they're doing as long as the kids make the grades and follow the rules.
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« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2013, 11:39:49 AM »

Who does this IMG think they are, Armwood?

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« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2013, 12:08:49 PM »

Schools that exist solely for athletics, like IMG, should not be allowed to compete in the FHSAA. They should be completely independent and play a national schedule (like Eastern "Christian", etc.).

I know some posters on here are fans of this nonsense, but nobody in their right mind can actually think that a "school" that solely exists for football should be mixed with regular schools, either public or private.

Sorry, but I'll never see Berekely Prep and IMG sports academy in the same light.

Maybe not Berkley, but how about schools like De La Salle or St. Thomas Aquinas

If you don't have a problem with kids being able to transfer simply to play sports, and numerous posters here have stated they don't have a problem with that, you can't expect any reasonable person  to listen to your complaints about IMG, unless it's that they beat you to the punch.  This is what the Genie is going to become when he's let out of the bottle.  Jesuit or any one of the other private schools in town could have done this years ago if they didn't have a conscience about who they are. 

In the end, they have to play the games.  And they can and will be beaten.  Bottom line is, if the kids aren't getting an education that prepares them for the academic rigors of college at IMG, the school won't last very long.  I don't root for them, but I don't have a problem with what they're doing as long as the kids make the grades and follow the rules.

No way. STA and DLS are GREAT schools. Probably on par wiht or even better than Jesuit.
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« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2013, 12:18:54 PM »

Heck Yoda there is a cloud over Plant also.

No clouds here brother.  I sleep wonderfully at night knowing we do the right thing.  We don't want your kids. 

We got 190 + over---we aren't hurting for talent or bodies.

We could knitpick about any program that's won as many titles as us and say this and that----one thing I've realized is that it comes with the territory.  Internet Tough Guys will always be around slingin' dirt.
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« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2013, 12:28:41 PM »

 Grin WOW touch a nerve, I find nothing wrong with what Plant, Armwood, CCC, IMG Countryside BP or insert any school does. Kids should and will go where they want, either for academics, or athletics. I have no problem with that. yoda you act like IMG took your Ball and wont give it back. They have not done one thing wrong. neither have the private schools. If they have, they will have to forfeit games like Armwood and Countryside had to do.

But to say that people believe that Plant or Armwood, Countryside, CCC IMG or any other school plays by the rules all the time, well The Cloud is there and people talk about it. NOW proving it is another thing .

Plus it also could be people who are just plain jealous of the success that some programs have.

IMG has not played one game yet, they have a proven track record getting kids into sports and in the pros. Lets see how they do with Football.  I think CCC beats them this year by 2 scores.
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« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2013, 03:24:30 PM »

private schools and IMG are going to continue to LEGALLY recruit kids strictly for athletics. Yet public schools can not LEGALLY recruit kids for athletics so IMO if you want to make it an even playing field have 2 state championships 1 for private schools and 1 for public schools. private schools and public schools can still play each other in the regular season for proximity and for existing rivalries however when playoff time comes 2 separate brackets is the only way to keep things fair.
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« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2013, 03:27:06 PM »

Heck Yoda there is a cloud over Plant also.

No clouds here brother.  I sleep wonderfully at night knowing we do the right thing.  We don't want your kids. 

We got 190 + over---we aren't hurting for talent or bodies.

We could knitpick about any program that's won as many titles as us and say this and that----one thing I've realized is that it comes with the territory.  Internet Tough Guys will always be around slingin' dirt.


Bo, I haven't said a negative word about your program.   I respect a good many of y'all up the road and what you do.  I certainly hope your "internet tough guy" comment wasn't aimed this way, because I have no qualms about saying the same thing I've posted here at a bar, a house party, or any other format.  I just find the hypocrisy of folks saying you should be able to transfer for athletics but you shouldn't go to IMG for athletics to be too much.

private schools and IMG are going to continue to LEGALLY recruit kids strictly for athletics. Yet public schools can not LEGALLY recruit kids for athletics so IMO if you want to make it an even playing field have 2 state championships 1 for private schools and 1 for public schools. private schools and public schools can still play each other in the regular season for proximity and for existing rivalries however when playoff time comes 2 separate brackets is the only way to keep things fair.
I agree, this should be the standard in ALL sports.
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« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2013, 04:19:17 PM »

...I find nothing wrong with what Plant, Armwood, CCC, IMG Countryside BP or insert any school does...

I believe that parents should want the best for their kids, can't blame them for that.  Do it within the rules.

I DO have a problem with it when the rules state otherwise.  I don't care whether the kid wants it, the parents do it, an alumni or a coach is involved.  I can never imagine how a coach can look a player in the eye and teach 'em to be a man, with all the virtues attached, knowing that something unethical or contra the rules are ignored and glossed over.

Change the rules first, if you don't like them.

What I find amusing is in my short 9 years here, seeing first hand the violations, and reading posts about "it's what's best for the kids" argument...then when IMG is doing it, but doing it on steroids, those same posters all of sudden find issue with it.  Too funny.
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« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2013, 04:23:47 PM »

private schools and IMG are going to continue to LEGALLY recruit kids strictly for athletics. Yet public schools can not LEGALLY recruit kids for athletics so IMO if you want to make it an even playing field have 2 state championships 1 for private schools and 1 for public schools. private schools and public schools can still play each other in the regular season for proximity and for existing rivalries however when playoff time comes 2 separate brackets is the only way to keep things fair.

How can they do this?
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« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2013, 08:36:31 PM »

I think it all works out. As a parent I want the best for my son. I'd send him to IMG if he played tennis or golf so why not football. As a reasonable level headed dad who has coached in a game or 2 over the years, am I going to send my son who plays RB to IMG now that Scarborough is there? Last I checked they only play with one ball. It all works out. To listen to this thread I'd think that IMG has locked up the state championship for the next 15 years. They will be extremely good and probably on ESPN a whole bunch of times. So has Plant since they'd been allowed and others in our domain are well worthy of the honor on a yearly basis. I know RW and Coach Cal wouldn't mind seeing them on the schedule.
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« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2013, 06:32:44 AM »

No one's son is going to the pros through IMG. Statistical zero at least for our purposes. Such a place is anti-educational. The local public schools vs private school debate is not the same. Kids may go to a certain school with sports in mind but it is not sports that makes the school viable. The school would stand alone with no sports at all. This doesn't even address the standards many schools have, both public and private, academically. If there is no reason for a non athlete to attend a school then it is not a school. C'mon guys this place is fantasy BS and it will devalue education and high school football in time. If any of you think that there are any real academic standards at this place you are crazy. They will put up any numbers they need to be certified. All those illiterate tennis players can't be reading Shakespeare and serving at 95 mph at the same time. Football will be worse.
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« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2013, 10:38:47 AM »

Too Funny. But I understand how some of you feel. I am trying to see what the difference is between IMG and the kids who walked out on Northeast. I am sure some of you will come up with a real neat excuse.

Will you go see CCC games Yoda? They got kids from Oceola, Clearwater, PHU, Countryside Eastlake, Dunedin, Tarpon What is the difference?

It seems as if some of you have an issue with IMG but not other Private schools. Or Public Schools like ARMWOOD who Cheated to get a State Title and then had it forfeit games. Heck Yoda there is a cloud over Plant also.

It must be hard for some of you to realize that things are changing as fast as I-Phones are. Kids, Parents and Yes Coaches change schools all the time. We might not like it, but it is what it is. Yes you have every right not to go to IMG Games. But I am looking forward to watching them and CCC play this year.




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« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2013, 12:22:08 PM »

WOW touch a nerve

No not really buddy.  It's like wrestling w/ a pig.  The more you do it---the more he likes it. 
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« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2013, 08:43:37 AM »

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I'm not sure of HOW.... I'm not that deep into it to be honest with you..... but I was told that is how it is done in new jersey and several other states. So it is do-able and I only posted it because I feel it is the only fair way to even the playing field and was curious on how other posters felt about it

Salty, it's definitely a conversation worth having.   "Schools" like IMG could really change the landscape of high school football.  From my perspective, they're really a prep-school-wanna-be in a geographic area that simply doesn't have other prep schools, so they have to be a high school in order to compete on the playing field.

My point is this:  in Florida, it doesn't matter whether the school is a private school or a public school.  If the school is a member of the FHSAA, that school is prohibited from recruiting kids to play sports at that school. Period.   End of discussion.   Does it happen?  I'm sure it does.  Wait, let me rephrase that:  I know it does.  But that doesn't make it right.  And it certainly doesn't make it legal. 

Now, schools (both private and public) can make themselves attractive to potential students in a variety of ways:  schools like CCC and Jesuit, on the private side, and Armwood and Plant, on the public side, have made themselves attractive to kids by the success that they have had on the field over a period of time.  IMG has not had that type of success because they have not had a football program (and success in golf and tennis doesn't necessarily translate into success on the football field). 

So, what makes them attractive to a kid looking to start high school or transfer?  Money?  Facilities?  Promises of future success?  Visibility?  Training programs?  Coaches?  First-class education?  Which of these is IMG selling? 

At the end of the day, IMG's business model is going to be dependent on getting enough folks to pay to come there (for whatever reasons and to play whichever sports, if any) that they can afford to subsidize 3, 4 and 5-star recruit talent that might not otherwise afford to pay their hefty tuition.  Will that come in the form of scholarships from wealthy alumns/boosters?  Or do they just jack up the tuition for the kids coming from wealthy families in foreign countries that really won't know that a good portion of that tuition is being used to field a top-notch high school football program? 

Only time will tell.   
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« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2013, 10:17:04 AM »

Tuition is already over 66k, can't jack it much higher than that.
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« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2013, 11:07:34 AM »

Tuition is already over 66k, can't jack it much higher than that.

Wow, that's some serious mullah!!

I know this much, if I'm paying that kind of money for my kid to go to IMG and play football, my boy better be getting some meaningful playing time!   Cool
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« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2013, 11:11:00 AM »

I agree with that.  But how do you justify that kid sitting on the bench while a 4 star recruit transfers in and takes his job?  If I just paid you 66k for my kid to get a shot, now this kid comes here and plays for free?
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« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2013, 03:19:53 PM »

Tuition is already over 66k, can't jack it much higher than that.

Wow, that's some serious mullah!!

I know this much, if I'm paying that kind of money for my kid to go to IMG and play football, my boy better be getting some meaningful playing time!   Cool

You are thinking to small.  If I am paying that much my kid better get a full ride to a D1... and if he doesn't then they should create a D1 school and just sign my kid... I am just sayin.
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« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2013, 03:24:29 PM »

Pezzy that was funny, BUT..you never know. In the near future that could be what happen
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« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2013, 01:49:00 AM »

I agree with that.  But how do you justify that kid sitting on the bench while a 4 star recruit transfers in and takes his job?  If I just paid you 66k for my kid to get a shot, now this kid comes here and plays for free?

Well you saw yourself in, you can see yourself out I suppose. And if you are paying 66K for your son to get a shot you should really re-think your priorities because the 66K could just get him the college education he'll probably need. Besides there are a ton of cheaper private schools that field teams of players that can barely walk and the kid would definitely get a shot there.
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« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2013, 01:52:55 PM »

Follow the money trail...I'd bet good $$ that there's a few trails that lead to places of influence

All you gotta do is look at who owns them (a private equity firm) and what else they own (tons!). Get on Google and do the diggin'.

Bottom line is, if the kids aren't getting an education that prepares them for the academic rigors of college at IMG, the school won't last very long. 

See, it's not like golfers or tennis players, which they primarily turn out. You can't go straight from here to the pros. That little stop on the journey, the one called college, might be a stumbling block. Or maybe not.

With that much money invested in that place, I have to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they're aware of all the possible scenarios. And they've got a lot of subsidiaries that deal with major universities, so by now they have know how to get people to the next level...don't they?
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« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2013, 02:55:35 PM »

Bottom line is that this "school" should not compete in the FHSAA. Are there any "students" that attend IMG that do not play sports? Would the school exist if athletics did not? No and No.

Bottom line this is a sports academy, plain and simple. Let them play a national schedule or the military academies. They should not be playing the Berkeley Preps or CCC's of the world, no matter how good those teams may be once in a while.
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« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2013, 06:32:19 PM »

for the record The Pendelton school @ IMG is on the best schools in the state but forget that they have recovery boots!  Shocked

 

guess this is the pot o' gold at the end of the rainbow?
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